* chief1983 bangs his gavel
<chief1983> I call this meeting of the SWC to order :)
<Axem> yayz
<chief1983> I had a few things I wanted to talk about tonight
<chief1983> But one is more pressing than the rest
<chief1983> And that's whether or not there is a true need for the SWC, alongside Imperial Alliance from EH.
<chief1983> I would love to see more than one Star Wars project
<chief1983> But the fact is, to do so it would need to offer something the other doesn't
<chief1983> and I haven't been able to come up with much on my own
<Goober5000> sorry, I'm ducking between rooms 
<chief1983> so I've been scouring the forums for old media and such
<chief1983> gotcha
<chief1983> trying to see if the project was ever headed in a direction IA wasn't
<chief1983> the only thing I've seen consistently is a dedication to higher quality ingame content
<chief1983> namely, models and textures
<Goober5000> good idea
<chief1983> but that's something that I was under the impression that IA was planning on fixing in the future
<chief1983> as they appear to be focusing more on engine changes first
<chief1983> most of what has been done for the SWC so far is ship creation
<chief1983> at least from what I can see
<chief1983> does anyone know if there were ever any goals for the SWC that would be different from what IA is already doing?
* chief1983 looks at hippo
<Hippo> hi?
<chief1983> hey
<chief1983> I know you used to be the project lead correct?
<chief1983> for a little while at least
<Hippo> when KARMA went to the army TopAce and I took leadership together, yes
<chief1983> right
<chief1983> At that time, IA had already shown significant progress as a star wars mod as well
<chief1983> right?
<chief1983> what were your thoughts on keeping the SWC going too?
<chief1983> Because whatever we can come up with to warrant two mods would be something that should be prominently displayed to the community I think.
<Hippo> we never really know what IA's goals were actually, that was more a KARMA thing
<chief1983> Ok
<chief1983> Well I can say right now, that I believe the SWC should be around, if for nothing else other than it came first, to my knowledge.
<Hippo> what we set out to do was origionally make some of the basic ships (trillogy mainly) and make a campaign to go along with custom interfact Greywolf made and a ton of stuff GE did
<chief1983> so there is more than just ships done
<Hippo> we cut this back to making a modpack that others could use, and then we figured we'd work on just standalone missions to go along with, but we never got close
<chief1983> I couldn't find any screenshots of an interface sadly
<chief1983> I have a hard time understanding what people mean when they say there's only a few ships
<chief1983> I suppose there's only a few ships that have been made to the standards that we'd like to see in a final release
<chief1983> but some of the stuff MetalDestroyer did last year was amazing.
<chief1983> I watched the videos he posted under 'A Celebration of FreeSpace'
<chief1983> There's some very neat looking gameplay already.  And with all the screenshots I've seen in various stages of completion, I find it hard to believe that just releasing what little is done so far to the public as a pack would not generate a great deal of interest.
<Hippo> goob, could you fix the internal so i could fint one of the interface pics?
<Hippo> what we have is far from complete though
<chief1983> ok
<Hippo> for instance, the corellian corvette karma made from scratch looked amazing, but was annoying as hell in missions because it couldnt do anything
<chief1983> ah
<chief1983> needs turrets?
<Hippo> turrets, a back half, textures, engines, subsystems, the works
<chief1983> gotcha
<Hippo> the fighters looked great and were ok in game, but karma needed to optomize them more (they were rediculously high poly) but he didnt get around to it
<Axem> what was their count?
<Hippo> about 1500 once optimized
<Axem> and unoptimized?
<Hippo> havent a clue
<Hippo> most of the pictures are linked to the old gamespy ftp, so i cant fit any interface ones
<Goober5000> Hippo, you ought to be able to access the internal already... what's the error?
<Goober5000> and furthermore, all the old gamespy logins should still work
<Hippo> yeah i found the internal, but the images arent on the project's space, and are apparently gone (i just looked through the directory)
<Hippo> and what gamespy login? :p
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<chief1983> well, there's been a few recent offerings for assistance on the forums
<chief1983> so I think I could pull together a small group to get some of this stuff going again
<Hippo> the staff will most likely have no problem with others taking on the project
<chief1983> the staff?
<chief1983> you mean the hlp?
<Hippo> the existing/remaining scp staff
<chief1983> ok
<Hippo> keep in mind though that we got a /lot/ of people who would  join up and never do a thing... on the magnitude that we eventually stopped taking people who applied and instead went recruiting
<chief1983> Well then, if we do decide that there's a point to continue development of it, I think the progress pack would be great.
<chief1983> I know
<Hippo> not that i doubt your ability to do stuff, but dont find yourself in the same place we did :p
<chief1983> but the ones that have offered have been asking several times, instead of just once.  I thought maybe there was hope for a couple of them
<chief1983> I Know
<chief1983> But I think that even releasing a pack that allows people to play out some of the stuff like MD had created in his videos would be a huge step
<chief1983> and if he was able to get that kind of gameplay already, there's got to be something at least almost worth releasing right now
<chief1983> on top of that
<chief1983> the website has been neglected for some time now
<chief1983> it still links to expired forums and such
<chief1983> needs to be updated
<chief1983> that's hurting community interest the most I'd imagine
<chief1983> and all the media that's been released, screenshots and movies
<chief1983> it needs to be accessible from one place
<chief1983> I spent a day scouring around for all the stuff I could find
<chief1983> I have 3 movies and 100 screenshots to show for it
<Hippo> i had a great big update for it (i actually joined as webmaster) but we didnt have a gamespy ftp password for about 2 years
<Hippo> and since then i've lsot the content
<chief1983> is gamespy ftp really that great
<chief1983> I really would like to get off of them anyway
<chief1983> most of the stuff they host seems to get lost
<chief1983> or moved
<chief1983> or are they what hosts most of the websites
<chief1983> I don't have anything against the current layout, but the links need updating badly is all
<Hippo> the gamespy ftp was the former ftp
<chief1983> ok
<Hippo> just so much of the content on ours is outdated, just like the website
<chief1983> ok
<chief1983> does anyone know if metaldestroyer was around to help with anything anymore?
<Goober5000> he is around... I'm not sure how much
<Goober5000> it wouldn't hurt to ask him
<chief1983> I know he has quite a bit of content
<chief1983> I dont' know how much of that was uploaded
<chief1983> has anything else been lost?
<chief1983> models, interface art, shield anis, etc
<chief1983> Well, I'd like to sum up.  We need a definitie purpose as a mod, to exist.  Clearly defined goals.  Once those are more in place, we should be able to recruit easier, as people like to know that they have a purpose.
<chief1983> As soon as possible, content needs to be organized
<chief1983> and whatever is ready, or just about ready for a release needs to be included
<chief1983> maybe it should even be internal only
<chief1983> just given to people who ask
<chief1983> because they want to help
<chief1983> just shy of an open link, not really turning anyone down, but keeping it from ending up for sale on Ebay as "Star Wars Game"
<chief1983> like what happened with Babylon 5
<Axem> gonna be hard to deal with the many people who ask
<chief1983> we'll just give them the link or something
<chief1983> tell 'em not to post it anywhere
<chief1983> I just don't want it being googleable
<chief1983> or found by people who don't know how to ask for it
<Axem> still itll be leaked and then ebay will be the only place google will see it
<chief1983> hmm
<Axem> i think its better to go for as maximum exposure as you can. get the word out and stuff
<chief1983> possibly.  guess it'd be better to control distribution ourselves then
<chief1983> ok
<chief1983> well, that, updating the website proper, and getting the teaser material in one spot would be a huge step I think
<chief1983> If we could find somewhere to host all current and future screenshots, and movies, and organize it via the website
<chief1983> it'd be excellent
<chief1983> One more thing, anyone know where the title "Fate of Galaxy" came from?
<chief1983> I'm reluctant to want to keep it around, because a) it's not even really proper english, and b) there's no campaign work that I know of to warrant titling it at all yet.  I think the more generic Star Wars Conversion works better for now until some sort of storyline for a possible campaign is chosen.
<chief1983> but if any one knows why the name was chosen in the first place it would be nice to know
<Goober5000> dunno
<Goober5000> but I was never (and still am not) on the team :)
<chief1983> I created a thumnail graphic and a mod.ini file for the mod :)
<chief1983> I know
<Goober5000> k
<Goober5000> cool
<chief1983> but I don't know how long you've been around
<Goober5000> well, chief, I think you have an excellent handle on what it takes to be a project leader
<chief1983> I should
<Goober5000> you are now moderator of the SWC forums with internal access and membership in the Project Heads group :)
<chief1983> I'm spending bookoo bucks for UMR to teach me
<chief1983> sweet :)
<Goober5000> hahaha
<Axem> umr?
<chief1983> University of Missouri-Rolla
<Axem> ah i see
<chief1983> don't memorize the name though
<chief1983> might not be that for long
<chief1983> if the Chancellor has his way
<chief1983> He thinks it should somehow reflect our dedication to technology
<chief1983> and engineering
<chief1983> and wants to make it something stupid, like Missouri Tech or something
<chief1983> or Rolla Tech
<chief1983> which is funny because it's already the name of the trade school in town
<chief1983> But yeah, I've been a leader of a few projects here and there at school
<chief1983> But nothing quite like this before
<chief1983> it could be interesting.
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<chief1983> heh
<chief1983> I didn't adjourn yet!
* chief1983 bangs gavel again
<chief1983> Meeting adjourned